QUOTE (Stafal @ 19/9/2012, 02:09)
Gotta get that oil....*coughcough* I mean peace...spread of democracy...and stuff... XD ^_~
Nah, but in all seriousness...I wish I understood why the U.S is still there. But really I mean I think it's oil. And control.
I am unsure of the reasons: but it is clear peace and democracy indeed are not it. "Starting a war for peace is like fucking for virginity".
In Iraq, there's clearly oil. But the fact is that there is not much oil or gas in the Afghan region that I know of. There are some pipelines, but I don't know how important they are... It could be cheaper and easier to reroute.
Perhaps control has some advantages, but at this point I cannot see how that would work.
On the other hand, I understand there are more police in Manhattan than soldiers in Afghanistan. Perhaps the whole occupation is just symbolic?
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Religious fanaticism is my take on the entire conflict in the Middle East. Fucking stupid.
And this right here may be the result of the symbolic act. Religious fanaticism has not much traction when there are worthy alternatives. It is a sign of despair, as I see it. What America does not like is nationalism and self-determination in the Middle East. The problem is that there is no good argument for preventing people from taking their destiny -and the resources of their land- in their own hands. That is colonialism. What we can (and perhaps should) fight is totally crazy people. Religious fanatics. They happened to be in power in Afghanistan, thanks to the CIA's efforts in the 80's, when they were training and arming Taliban to fight Russians. You blatantly occupy the country, after causing a rich mess, and you will sure as hell create some extra resentment in the region: some of which tacking on to religious cells. But I believe it is not religion that makes these people fight for their countries: religion doesn't necessarily teach that. Nor do you have to be religiously inspired to retaliate against the aggressor who kills your relatives and friends.
Now that I think of it, the use of "religion" reminds me of the use of "socialism" in the Cold War. The Russians loved to pretend they were advancing Glorious Socialism, while they were actually horrible corrupt communists who did not do any justice to the term. The Americans then pointed at the massacres, gulags, and poverty and claimed that all of that is caused by Evil Socialism: which it wasn't.
Now, we supposedly have Jihadists fighting for Islam, while in fact motivated by rather secular self-determination and retaliation. The one side claims it is fighting for Glorious Islam, which gives the local religious leaders a lot of power indeed. The other side claims they are fighting Evil Islamists: an irrational force that cannot be reasoned with and that exists independent of our doing: their holy book simply makes them furious and crazy.
This is not about Islam.