Copyright, and digital multiplication

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view post Posted on 19/12/2012, 17:49
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Copyright in the digital age always seems like an ill fitting shoe to me. On the one hand, it is indeed important that (music) artists and other content providers get paid for their work, and then perhaps it is fair that those who make more popular content get paid more. Perhaps... But if it is, then it seems to make sense that you link payment to the number of times something is accessed, which you can basically only know if you:
a) have access to all computers and charge an amount to the owner for having the content on it (which would be a horrible idea), or controlling the content player so it only plays what the owner of the content player paid for.
b) are the sole distributor of the content.
c) have a combination of those, like iTunes, which is a music player that can only play the songs you actually paid for, and at the same time lets you purchase songs easily.

There have been many, many lawsuits and problems with the b. category, because it is ridiculously easy to copy and distribute digital content and spread it around for free. The model seems to have been copied over from the real world, where material duplicators have not yet been invented, and now, lawyers the world over are fighting individuals over uploading content through non-authorized free distributors, such as torrent sites and youtube, and Kazaa and Napster before that. Of course, each time they have a partial success, the big boulder rolls down again - because it will always be ridiculously easy to copy digital content. Copying is what computers do really well. It seems obvious that a new payment model is required. Some bands have argued that they do not get much money at all for any records they sell, and that the so-called digital piracy is actually great promotion for the live shows that they do earn decent money with. Games, most famously World of Warcraft, have found that hosting multiplayer services is a great way to ensure that they get paid: you don't pay for the game world, but for access to the multiplayer server. However, I have not seen such solutions for movies and books, though it seems that the personal desktop is no real alternative to either: the experience you get in a cinema has not been killed by the pre-digital copying device vcr, and reading books from a screen has not yet caught on as much, even though hand-held digital reading devices like Kindle seem to have made a (temporary?) upsurge lately.

Radio falls in the a. category, because the radio host decides what to play, and you usually pay for it by listening to endless ads. Then, the radio station pays a portion of their profits to the content provider, which in this country is mostly supervised by a single foundation Buma/Stemra. I assumed they were some kind of bureaucratic body, but of course not, they are a private enterprise with profits and dividends, and one of their top secretaries is a big shot at a music publishing company - making it quite obvious that this is not just about protecting artists, but a whole industry, who we owe a living. Anyway.......

The reason I am starting a thread about this now is because of a report of a recent court case (link in Dutch) fining, and banning, a very popular website (2.47 million unique visitors per month) called Nederland.fm that collected a whole number of radio streams on one page. The website simply had an audio player in the middle, and then 36 icons around it of all of the biggest radio stations in the country. Clicking on an icon would play the radio stream through the central audio player, so you didn't need to switch websites to switch the channel. This kind of service is called a radio portal. It's very convenient, but apparently not simply allowed. It turns out Buma/Stemra has given permits to the individual radio stations to play their radio streams on their respective websites, on the basis of target audiences visiting those specific websites. Isolating just the stream on a different website, as Nederland.fm did, brought in a different audience (according to the court), and that was not what Buma/Stemra agreed to. Another - and perhaps more important - reason the court finds this portal problematic is that Nederland.fm has ads on its website, generating income for its owner, a mr. Souren. Souren did not pay dues out of these revenues to Buma/Stemra, effectively exploiting the musical works within the streams, while there is a specific billing structure for such portals.

That means that Souren was operating outside of agreements, and the website is rightly taken down. However, the agreement seems to me incredibly short-sighted. People apparently massively prefer Souren's portal website to the specific "audiovisual environments" of the radio stations. What seems to matter there, is the audio part, not so much the visual: it's radio after all. Hence, it seems to me that the radio station is responsible for owning the musical rights, and they pay for them out of their revenues. If more people hear their ads, their revenue goes up, and hence they pay more to Buma/Stemra (13% of net income with a minimum of €780 per year). It can't be true that ads listened through a portal, rather than directly on the website, cannot be counted: they had a way of estimating those numbers back when radio was analog. I don't really see where "target audience" comes in. Am I an illegal listener when I browse to classic.fm, because I am not a target audience, being a young person? Perhaps the advertisers pay a bit more for their ads targeted to older folk on classic.fm, but it's not the portal's fault I like to listen to it sometimes. Perhaps it helped me find it: in that case, the advertisers should figure out that every once in a while, it may be helpful to try to market young people stuff on classic fm, because there may be more people like me on the portal. I still don't see why Buma/Stemra has any say in all of that.

I am more sympathetic to the argument that Souren is exploiting the artistic content by making profits off collecting the streams on his website. But when I step back, I keep seeing that the ads on the radio streams are supposed to generate the revenue for the artists. I wonder if we are charging radio manufacturers for providing the same tool as the portal, or google for linking to all kinds of artistic stuff and making a profit out of that. I keep concluding that trying to contain copyright on the internet is a very clumsy kid.
 
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view post Posted on 20/12/2012, 03:33




I have read this post several times and I am not sure I follow what has happened here.

In the first place, I do not understand what you say about radio. You mention classic.fm. Most classical music is out of copyright, and is therefore in the public domain. However when an orchestra records a version of that piece they are making an original arrangement, and that itself is copyright material. They have expended time and money to make that recording (or a music company has) in the hope/expectation that they will get a return on that investment, and I assume that copyright also expires, in the normal way.

I do not know if classic.fm plays a lot of such material: I doubt it. There are so many recordings of the most popular classical music that there is no need that I can see to choose arrangements which are in copyright at present. It would make more sense to play older versions where no such issue arises, and I had sort of thought that this is one way that the station is distinguished from, for example, Radio 3. At present I am not convinced that this is an issue of copyright at all. Your mention of "target audience" suggests to me that this is something completely different: for any breach of copyright cannot rest on any characteristic of yours; but rather on a failure to pay for copyright material, no matter who you are. A radio station is meant to be listened to and so no such question can arise, so far as I can see.

Classic.fm is a commercial station. Its revenue comes from advertising, I believe. I am not sure what has happened here but it seems to me this is about advertising revenue and nothing to do with copyright. Perhaps that is where the confusion arises. The station pays for equipment and presenters and all that stuff. And it broadcasts to an audience. Advertisers will make the decision about where to advertise on the basis of that audience size and profile, presumably. What you seem to be saying is that Mr Souren has taken a number of stations into one portal and that has proved very popular. So a lot of people who might otherwise listen to the station directly now do so through that portal: and advertisers know that. If they deem that the audience is bigger there, that is where they will place their adverts, and there is the possibility they will do it instead of placing them with the station. Mr Souren does not incur the vast bulk of the costs: but if he then gets a large share of the revenue, in the end the station cannot be viable, perhaps? There is nothing wrong with what he has done in any other terms. But if he is getting money at the expense of companies which are providing him with his business it is to be expected that he should pay those companies some part of that revenue: and it seems he is not doing that.
 
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view post Posted on 20/12/2012, 14:17




I have done a wee bit more digging about on this. Although classic fm is not broadcasting copyright material it is arguably not typical of the radio sites linked at nederland.fm. Some of those do broadcast material which is in copyright and so copyright issues are in play here, and I was wrong in my interpretation in my previous post

According to some reports the case hinges on whether what nederland.fm (and another company called Op.fm) do constitutes "publication" of the music. The court held that it does, and that seems to be because the sites do not send the listener to the actual radio site. Rather they "capture" the user on their own site by playing the music there. The user can listen to the radio station but stays on nederland.fm's page and sees the adverts there. Whether anyone does that in practice is moot: I imagine they go and do other things while listening to the music. At least that is what I would do. Whether or no,the court seems to have found that these are not links in the true sense: rather the sites use the radio stations in the context of their own site and that means that they are benefiting directly from the radio stations and from the content. If you benefit from copyright material you are supposed to buy a license or to pay a royalty. Nederland.fm and Op.fm do not do that.

Apparently some of the political parties have taken a stance on this: the greens are said to oppose the ruling. I suppose it is possible that the law will be changed so that this ruling is overturned: though whether it is sufficiently important to warrant parliamentary time is not clear to me.

A second argument, that the two companies reproduce copyright material was rejected by the court. That rested on the fact that the material is not on the companies' servers and so it was held they had not "reproduced" the music.

In other news Buma Sterma has been the object of a copyright case itself and has lost. It seems that they commissioned a dutch musician called Melchior Rietveldt to write a piece of music for use in an anti-piracy advert they were making. They told him it would be used exclusively at a local film festival and the payment presumably reflected that. However a year later Mr Rietveldt discovered that the advert was being put on dvd's which were sold around the world: and not obscure ones: he found his music on a harry potter dvd in 2007. Buma Sterma were not quick to put things right and so Mr Rietveldt sued. In July of this year he won and Buma Sterma was fined 20.000 euros and ordered to pay him the royalties he is due.

It is ironic that a company which claims to exist in order to protect copyright for artists has itself breached that law, and in a pretty obvious and simple way.
 
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QUOTE (FionaK @ 20/12/2012, 14:17) 
In other news Buma Sterma has been the object of a copyright case itself and has lost. It seems that they commissioned a dutch musician called Melchior Rietveldt to write a piece of music for use in an anti-piracy advert they were making. They told him it would be used exclusively at a local film festival and the payment presumably reflected that. However a year later Mr Rietveldt discovered that the advert was being put on dvd's which were sold around the world: and not obscure ones: he found his music on a harry potter dvd in 2007. Buma Sterma were not quick to put things right and so Mr Rietveldt sued. In July of this year he won and Buma Sterma was fined 20.000 euros and ordered to pay him the royalties he is due.

It is ironic that a company which claims to exist in order to protect copyright for artists has itself breached that law, and in a pretty obvious and simple way.

Haha! Hadn't read about that. Buma/Stemra seems more like a maffia than a rights advocate group. I don't trust them one bit.
 
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view post Posted on 21/12/2012, 15:11




I am not sure whether they are a good thing or not. I suppose what is more important is what alternative we can devise, if any, to replace the concept of copyright. There is clearly a problem, as you have outlined. It is both practical and, for some, it is also a matter of principle

Should artists be able to ensure they derive income from the use of their work? Or should they do it for the love of it with no thought to money? Is that the definition of an artist: that he or she is driven to make art regardless? That is certainly a story which is out there. We read of writers who cannot help but write, and painters who paint or draw, no matter whether the work sells or not. Arguably if the only art there was was produced by such people we would have a lot less of it: but there is loads of it so maybe that does not matter? Perhaps we would reverse some aspects of global homogeneity if we abandoned copyright and only acquired art more locally? Would that be a good thing? Few could make a living, and art could become a "spare time" activity: why not? It would not affect all mediums, though, or not equally. Is that just the breaks? Maybe it is. It might lead to more local live music, for example. Presumably before we had recordings, and such, all music was live in homes and pubs and the church hall. Is that what we want to return to? Would it be a consequence of abandoning copyright? And if it would it might be fine for art: not so much for medicine etc. Are those things to be treated differently? and if so, how?
 
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