Movement Name Poll, Help us name the movement

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FionaK
view post Posted on 2/8/2011, 17:50




Anybody thought about "National Socialists Online"?
 
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QUOTE (FionaK @ 2/8/2011, 18:50) 
Anybody thought about "National Socialists Online"?

:rolleyes: :lol:
 
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NathanSanders
view post Posted on 2/8/2011, 18:34




True, true, I will have the ultimate veto, but it's always nice to have consensus lol. I'll make the decision soon.
 
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J13
view post Posted on 2/8/2011, 20:28




I like 'People Before Proft'; it's catchy, but it seems a bit too foccused on a specific part of the manifesto. Maybe something simple & to the point, like 'An Alternative System'. Not very punchy, but it gets the message across concisely.
 
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I agree: I wouldn't hang the name of the organization up on the points in the manifest, also. Nathan's version is a single, rudimentary version of many possible manifests. As Fiona noted, it is not specific enough: This is on purpose, because Nathan wants to appeal to as many lefty people as possible. I think perhaps it should be an introduction to the specific ideas, for which the forum can be a platform, and should then be (re)worded as such.
 
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"The Unnamed Manifest" is actually real nice, as long as it is a nonspecific meta-manifest that invites and encourages all "indignants" to produce political ideas. To speak out for what you wish to stand for, is a scary political act. The crime and success of today's media-politics is to make sure alternative politics are never outspoken: They are taboo; unmentioned; unnamed. Yet loads of people have sentiments much similar to what the original manifest included. The main media are deceitful. The main politics are disconnected. And so people tend to believe there is no alternative, because all they hear, and the only options they have to vote on, are at best watered down versions of crony capitalism. We need only tell people that there is an alternative that they can believe in: that they can create their own politics at some scale, and if enough people believe it, they can achieve more than they dare to dreamed when they were only one.

We must simply engage people and convince them that they can take politics on, as a single person, to achieve justice and all the beautiful ideas that have always been promised but never quite delivered. Break the taboo. Let everyone speak their truth. For telling the truth, in a time of universal deceit, becomes a true revolutionary act, spoke George Orwell.
 
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NathanSanders
view post Posted on 2/8/2011, 23:58




Quite right Vninect. This is the exact position I am rooting for. I could indeed offer my own detailed positions on certain policies, what should happen here, what should be done there, but I fear this may be more divisive than unifying and I am looking to unify. After all, it is very easy to pick holes in a detailed manifesto than a more general one. I am in favour of leaving this deliberately less detailed for the base ideas of the movement, to help promote this unity and promote discussion on the more detailed aspects as I am surely incorrect in some of more detailed plans. Although this is the case, I do think it important to stick to the main tenets set out. Secularism, treating drugs as a social not criminal issue and the others are sticking points for me, and we have to have these to give direction and stick by our original principles.
As for 'the unnamed manifesto', this was the name I gave to this project when I first started it and perhaps it is only fitting I carry that on. I will have to look at the suggestions further tomorrow, for now I have to sleep.
 
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damjan1138
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 05:35




QUOTE (FionaK @ 2/8/2011, 18:50) 
Anybody thought about "National Socialists Online"?

:rolleyes:
 
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NathanSanders
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 09:14




QUOTE (FionaK @ 2/8/2011, 17:50) 
Anybody thought about "National Socialists Online"?

hung
 
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damjan1138
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 11:40




This was the short version of the "about" for the United citizens back when I started it in february...This version is written for the croatian branch but it can be modified for any state or the global organisation...
Just giving food for thought...have bunch more material...

United citizens of Croatia is a currently informal and independent political movement centered around the cause of gathering all interested parties with the idea of a humanistic revalorization of Croatian political scene, effort to find a way to lead Croatia out of economical and social troubles, general well being of all citizens of the Republic of Croatia regardless of their political, social, religious, sexual or other differentiation, development and progress of the society's ability to independently, efficiently and ecologically satisfy its needs and the development and progress of the individual’s position in that society, and finally general and specific political action and planning which is aiming for all-round well being of all citizens of the Republic of Croatia, and the World.

Some other points I'll give you for consideration which I set as political guidelines back when I was doing this:


-ignoring the left-right divide, in essence accept members from all of the political spectrum and emphasize the unity of the left and right in this movement -this point has worked wonders
(left and right are unnecessary obligations. You cannot set politics in stone and expect to be able to respond to any situation properly. The only logical solution is to recognise which problem deserves a right and which one a left sided solution. I hope You understand this point.

-main argument against socialized welfare and health care is always "but people wont work then..."
this stupid idea can only be fought with strict humanist views and the use of "constitutional" and human rights in the rhetoric is very well accepted by the general public...

-on the internet based names... I think this is not good , because it maybe popular within a small fraction of people it would make a disastrous and false image to everyone else...
The fact this joined effort started on /b/ tells more about the state of human civilisation today then about our political goals. I do believe that Nathan has outlined them very clearly and even though they are general it is clear where do they stem...humanism, fairness, practical democracy etc... just to name the few. Not much debate here is necessary or even needed I believe. This particular political direction is relatively new but is crystallizing and many people around the world share it although it does not have a concise representative so it has not been yet physically represented anywhere. I do hope and believe Nathan's idea was not anarcho-socialism specially the kind which lulzsec popularized because as much as it may seem fashionable it is politically utterly childish and (no offence) silly. If this movement shifts to anarcho-socialism I'm out...
 
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NathanSanders
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 11:54




I do like the name "United Citizens of the World"

It has a strong call to action and unity about it, is not too specific (as we are campaigning on multiple issues), acknowledges the internet heritage of it without deterring people, is succinct and recognises this as a global issue and best of all, I just checked the domain name www.unitedcitizensoftheworld.com and it is not yet claimed.

How do people feel about this?

An alternative I put forward is "United Citizens of Earth"
A little shorter and perhaps catchier.
Although I recognise it's "sci-fi" implications of stating "earth", which I do not mind and even like, do you think that may put people off more than "the world"?

I think I will have decided this by the end of the day.

P.S Damjan, don't fear, I have no intention of turning this into any sort of anarcho- movement. I see anarchism as an extreme right wing ideology, fitting in with the hatred of the state and championing of some form of market forces.
 
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damjan1138
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 12:05




United citizens of Earth is kinda fun, but in the long run I think that world is a better option. It is clear, concise, universal and most importantly strong. It sears into one's brain instantly and it gives the feeling (at least to me) of strength, unity, consolidation and fairness.

:alienff:
 
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NathanSanders
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 12:07




I also do graphic design and was thinking about the logo.

I was currently using the United Nations logo out of lack of anything better/original:

United-Nations

But I am planning on doing something similar, keeping the world wide unity that this logo expresses. Obviously without being too similar.

If anyone has any ideas about this, please feel free to post them.
 
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damjan1138
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 12:20




the reference (subtle) to the UN is something I like...I was also thinking similar when I thought of the name...

I was using this very simple text based logo for my movement (it says simply United citizens of Croatia)

customLogo

I'm not very much into graphic design although I worked a lot on technical drawing and 3D models but I can't draw for my life...

Can't help you here very much, I'll stick to organisation and material writing lol...
 
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damjan1138
view post Posted on 3/8/2011, 12:43




I had an idea just now, don't know if it's silly or not...
In a way play around the UN concept but use a chain of people holding hands around the world...

 
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